9th Mar 2017 - FG1000 Sprint Series (2 Viewers)

[PatatorJohn]

Race 2 with its upside down actions. Now that it is passed I hope we can laugh at that memorable 'big one'

 

[SillySausage]

The worst luck.
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Bit of a race to forget for me. When my alarm went off at 5:30AM I was very, very tempted to just stay in bed for this one but I woke up again at 6:15AM with just enough time to setup up my wheel and participate.​

Qualifying went terribly, I threw away my only good lap by taking too much speed and putting it into the gravel.

Race 1, I had a decent start holding position until I got caught up with other people's incidents and got demoted to last with minor aero damage. Sorry to Jesper cut cutting across you a few laps later and spinning you out, that's why I waited (once again back to second last). Eventually I managed to claw my way back to 18th by the end.

Just a reminder to everyone to watch your rejoins, had a few about three close calls in race 1 with people dangerously rejoining.

Race 2, I was the most heavily damaged car from the lap 1 incident apart from those you retired with missing wheels. I was about to retire myself but didn't want someone else's incident to leave a black DNF mark in my career stats (besides I'd woken up at 5:30, what else would I do apart from finish the race ) so I limped it all the way back to the pits to be repaired. The rest of the race consisted of putting in PB after PB, setting a better pace than I had in practice and making one overtake on an also damaged @FuBii I assume.

As @PatatorJohn said, when the frustration of such a big incident blows over... IT WAS A REALLY SPECTACULAR CRASH! It has been a long time since we've had one that big (which is a good thing) but it was also so great to see such a full field again with so many newcomers, it's also been a long time since that.

Congratulations to @Blue Monkey for the double win and @SBart_uk for the great debut.

Here's my highlights of the race, one of the most brutal impacts I've had in a long time:

 

[Gxbbs]

Also, forgot to add,

The race ended for me with a strange feeling. I felt very disconnected with the race compared to previous races. What made racing with RSR fun for me was the kindness and forgivingness of the people that I was driving with. Small tap here, missing braking point there would always end up in a quick "sorry!" None of that today really. It was too quiet, as if you were driving against an AI. No feeling of driving with "the family".

Sure I am against the occasional chatter about whose fault was what action etc. And sure every now and then there was too much taking going on in other races.

And then the biggest annoyance for me was "shush!!!!!".

You don't shush people, it is rude! And very unpleasant and aggressive. I don't know who it was and I don't care either but it gave me a bitter taste the first race. I did not sign up with RSR to be shushed. (I wasnt shushed cause I had no mic the first race).

Just my two extra cents

It is also disrespectful to other drivers to sit there talking throughout the race so a quick shush keeps things in order and from what I heard most people respected that opinion. Seems like some people just want to socialise at races now then?

 

[Laiders]

Also, forgot to add,

The race ended for me with a strange feeling. I felt very disconnected with the race compared to previous races. What made racing with RSR fun for me was the kindness and forgivingness of the people that I was driving with. Small tap here, missing braking point there would always end up in a quick "sorry!" None of that today really. It was too quiet, as if you were driving against an AI. No feeling of driving with "the family".

Sure I am against the occasional chatter about whose fault was what action etc. And sure every now and then there was too much taking going on in other races.

And then the biggest annoyance for me was "shush!!!!!".

You don't shush people, it is rude! And very unpleasant and aggressive. I don't know who it was and I don't care either but it gave me a bitter taste the first race. I did not sign up with RSR to be shushed. (I wasnt shushed cause I had no mic the first race).

Just my two extra cents

Have to agree with this, the chat has never bothered me. And the shush moment was really rude and unnecessary IMO.

If people really don't like it is it not possible to setup a button to mute Teamspeak? Once the race has started there isn't really any strict need to have the Teamspeak turned on.

 

[m4nu]

Have to agree with this, the chat has never bothered me. And the shush moment was really rude and unnecessary IMO.

If people really don't like it is it not possible to setup a button to mute Teamspeak? Once the race has started there isn't really any strict need to have the Teamspeak turned on.

Do not get me wrong guys, we do not want to shut down the chatter to 0, we want to filter unnecessary stuff out.

 

[Invincible]

I am also against the push-to-talk thingy. The chatter doesn't bother me as long as everyone STFU as soon as an admin wants to say something relevant for the event.
But too much stuff got lost I think. The quick and small "sorry""my bad", a sudden "whoa!" in a hairy situation, I even missed to call a spinner because I coulnd't fumble the button at that moment and as I could, the situation was clear again.

TL;DR: Push-to-talk? Nope from me.

 

[stolnikas]

For me, push-to-talk is a downside. I have good headphones with microphone which can be muted at any moment in case any background noises are picked. And basically the only downside of voice activation is that it starts to pickup background noises. So if you are using desktop mic or you think, that someone can go in to the room and start singing, you should use push-to-talk. And you can always check the sensitivity in TS, try to rotate your wheel as hard as you can to see if your mic is picking noises. It is not that hard...
As of the unnecessary chatter, people still talk and push-to-talk doesn't help and i don't think it is a problem in voice activation in that case.

 

[m4nu]

Many thanks for all the feedback regarding to the push to talk thingy. Many members are actually not a big fan of it which is totally fine and also expected.

By the looks of it we are leaving it as a single test and go back to no restrictions in the next race. It was important to us to test it, with a big grid, and get some feedback from you guys.

Once again thanks for the feedback guys

 

[Gxbbs]

Many thanks for all the feedback regarding to the push to talk thingy. Many members are actually not a big fan of it which is totally fine and also expected.

By the looks of it we are leaving it as a single test and go back to no restrictions in the next race. It was important to us to test it, with a big grid, and get some feedback from you guys.

Once again thanks for the feedback guys

I think that what we can take from this is that, having minimal chatter was a lot nicer and made it easier to concentrate. But people did not like the push to talk solution so I feel that people will have to put in more effort to reduce the amount of talking during a race.

 

[Alex du Plessis]

Interesting topic going on here, like all the thoughts given but as a Push to Talk user per say, I am in favour of PTT as there are a few people who are using Voice activation which is really annoying to me that is. To hear someone's gear lever clunking away or their steering wheel whirring does distract me a lot. This is the only issue I have with Voice activation. People talking while racing has no effect on me except when spoken to at the wrong time and I respond and hit the wall. My bad either way but I agree with people chatting away about things non race related is not on, the race related chat is really helpful and does help when there is an incident of some sort. Regarding quali the talk should be limited to the minimum and it keeps it fair to all. Chat in rolling starts should be for admins only IMHO as well as standing starts.

 

[PatatorJohn]

I think that what we can take from this is that, having minimal chatter was a lot nicer and made it easier to concentrate. But people did not like the push to talk solution so I feel that people will have to put in more effort to reduce the amount of talking during a race.

Personally I liked the 'push to talk'. It specifically reduced the background noise, such as 'Wooaaa' or others things like that. However I've noticed that those who tend to speak (too) much aren't refrained by the 'push' thing, so my impression in the long term it's only going to reduce the 'accidental' chatter, not the 'unnecessary' one. But that's already something I appreciate.

 

[Blue Monkey]

I think that what we can take from this is that, having minimal chatter was a lot nicer and made it easier to concentrate. But people did not like the push to talk solution so I feel that people will have to put in more effort to reduce the amount of talking during a race.

I strongly disagree - and a lot of comments above are disagreeing aswell

Additionally I also wanna say:
Someone was complaining on track limits on lap 1 (ingame 2/11) - totally unnecessary ...
The following "Shuuuuuuush" was really annoying, the tone of it was unnecessarily agressive and very loud - a "please keep chatter down" in a neutral / nice tone would have been waaaaaaaaay better

What would be nice if (sry Mo, gonna take you as an example):
Instead of "very nice overtake, nice overtake Laiders there, very nice"
Enough would be "Nice overtake Laiders" - reduced to 3 words
(and I'm the opinion if it was a nice overtake, say something like this is okay, its great for the atmosphere, it shows the respect in the community and put smiles on the faces of the people)

Imo RSR is a community with "family" aspect - you don't come here and just do the race - you practice together, you race together in a nice way, you stay for nice talking after the race, some of us even play other games together - its like a family ...
This is in contrast to many other leagues and money orientated championships
RSR is here to have fun - yes you can still have competitive races (Int. Cup, Official Events) - but for me what RSR makes so great and succesful is having this great atmosphere, respect, fun under the banner of sim racing

That doesn't mean we should allow annoying noises - or really unnecessary chatting (ie. talking lengthy before the race is really over, or talking during qualifying except for the necessary stuff)
Still I'm convinced it's possible to have the chatter it at an acceptable level without P2T- we had such events already - it just was a bit sloppy lately

I think mods & admins can remind people during the race and this should be enough, if there is still talking ... also reminding in briefing is always a good thing

 

[stolnikas]

Interesting topic going on here, like all the thoughts given but as a Push to Talk user per say, I am in favour of PTT as there are a few people who are using Voice activation which is really annoying to me that is. To hear someone's gear lever clunking away or their steering wheel whirring does distract me a lot. This is the only issue I have with Voice activation. People talking while racing has no effect on me except when spoken to at the wrong time and I respond and hit the wall. My bad either way but I agree with people chatting away about things non race related is not on, the race related chat is really helpful and does help when there is an incident of some sort. Regarding quali the talk should be limited to the minimum and it keeps it fair to all. Chat in rolling starts should be for admins only IMHO as well as standing starts.

Good headphone mic and calibration of voice activation gets rid of those problems. Background noises really distracts, because you start to think "maybe i should call this out, say that he needs to mute". Also i need to check my left monitor left top corner to see who is voice activated (Overwolf layout) and that really distracts.
As of chatter, short calls like "Sorry", "thank you", and even "Whoaa" doesn't bother, but something like "Sorry sorry sorry, my fault, sorry sorry sorry" is totally unnecessary. I think saying "sorry" once is totally enough. Any conflicts regarding unsafe rejoin or incidents should be discussed after race or in Stewards Room.

 

[Ashnoom]

All we can ask to those who do have a noisy background, or use a desktop microphone which picks up "all the action", is if they wouldn't mind to use PTT. I think that'll reduce a lot of background noise.

When I know that I am going to have background noise (read: my girlfriend coming in the room to talk to me, note it won't pick up her voice, only mine (INB4 girlfriend == background noise )) I'll just move my mic upwards and it mutes itself.

When I have to sneeze I am 99% of the time quick enough to move my mic upwards, same for coughing.

The "picking up the noise of all the action" that some users have is the only annoyance factor that I have, but then again a quick reminder to said person "your mic is picking up your APM's" is fine enough for me and mostly fixes the "problem". Asking said users to use PTT instead would be a nice option, but if they can't then I guess we'll just have to accept that and every now and then give them a small reminder.

 

[stolnikas]

All we can ask to those who do have a noisy background, or use a desktop microphone which picks up "all the action", is if they wouldn't mind to use PTT. I think that'll reduce a lot of background noise.

When I know that I am going to have background noise (read: my girlfriend coming in the room to talk to me, note it won't pick up her voice, only mine (INB4 girlfriend == background noise )) I'll just move my mic upwards and it mutes itself.

When I have to sneeze I am 99% of the time quick enough to move my mic upwards, same for coughing.

The "picking up the noise of all the action" that some users have is the only annoyance factor that I have, but then again a quick reminder to said person "your mic is picking up your APM's" is fine enough for me and mostly fixes the "problem". Asking said users to use PTT instead would be a nice option, but if they can't then I guess we'll just have to accept that and every now and then give them a small reminder.

APM's can be removed by configuring TS's voice activation mic sensitivity slider.

 

[Jonno]

The shuush was aimed at me as i was the one who said watch your track rejoin. As im sure everyone understands what to do when they have an off track moment. Yet people choose to ignore the rules and drive straight back on without any care in the world. The shuush did come across as very agressive and if i didnt have ptt on boy would the person of had an earfull lol.

Btw @ramiboo i cant seem to find were you shared the replay of race 1 mate prehaps im being stupid lol..

 

[Jonno]

Race 2 with its upside down actions. Now that it is passed I hope we can laugh at that memorable 'big one'

Hahaha @extremekarter27 were are your right wheels lol 1.55 on vid lol

 

[Blue Monkey]

The shuush was aimed at me as i was the one who said watch your track rejoin. As im sure everyone understands what to do when they have an off track moment. Yet people choose to ignore the rules and drive straight back on without any care in the world.
...

Please report dangerous rejoins (especially if they cause collisions or similiar) or talk to the person and remind him/her of it

 

[Jonno]

Please report dangerous rejoins (especially if they cause collisions or similiar) or talk to the person and remind him/her of it

As soon as i can get the replay of race one that is my intention mate. Unfortunately my pc decided to go to sleep at the end of race one and i was unable to get replay lol..

 

[2scoops]

From my pov it looked like the accident was caused by a rejoin.