Project CARS 2 28th May 2018 - Casino Royale (1 Viewer)

[Mearcat]

we just have the addded bonus of being able to comunicate with each.

Yes as also in real life, the pit boss is on the radio telling the drivers that they are about to be lapped so in a way the drivers have a third party doing the communicating for them.

The car going to be lapped then waits for the lapping car to get within range then moves off line to let it through.

To be fair too both front runners they did ask me on a less demanding section of the track, well in advance of a good passing point. But you are correct, if lappers ask during technically demanding parts of the track (as was your case) they can put off the driver they are approaching.

The second one was a slower one and i lost my rear wing.

I watched the replay with it, on the hair pin my tyres grab the kerb and it literally pulls the car round into yours and my front wing slices yours off. I wouldn't of touched you if the tyres didn't touch that kerb.

I suspect the damage modelling measured the first bump as hitting nose - gearbox so didn't create damage to either of our wings.

@fab. ICEMAN : your question of if it could happen in real life -


...yes it can.
In nearly every other case though, your car should of flipped over not mine, or at least have a heavily damaged front suspension. Only one thing can explain it.......

......Project Cars

 

[Nighttiger]

I saw the accident with Mearcat live and it's a good example of what I said about Multiclass-Lapping some days about "It doesn't go well if the slower car wants to dictated the lapping." And this is an example. The lapped car makes the decision for the fast car and it goes wrong. Mearcat had some gap behind and in front, why not let him pass on the way up the hill where it's relativity save, why pass in the corner where it's much more dangerous? Esp in this corner where the fast guys drift thru. Mearcat made the call and put himself in danger for no reason.

With 10mins to go, coming up to @Onufmi he lost it at the casino. I tried everything to avoid contact but the car got spat out from the barriers right infront of me. In hindsight, sorry for having a go at you on TS. But with zero cars around you, you could've let me go earlier. You shouldn't take out anyone, but the last thing you want is to take out the leader. That was properly properly gutting.

I am pretty fed up with these returning posts about incidents whilst lapping. I quote from the rules:

1.4 Lapping

• 1.4.1 - If you are going to be lapped, you should hold your racing line and leave the other driver responsible for making a safe pass. By sticking to the racing line, your movements are more predictable. It is also helpful to lift off the throttle, to allow the lapping car to pass sooner.
• 1.4.2 - If you are aware of the lapping car early enough, you may move off the racing line, provided it is safe to do so. It is also helpful to alert the lapping driver over TeamSpeak, e.g. “Pass me on the left.”
• 1.4.3 - The lapping car may flash their headlights or give a notification in Teamspeak to alert the lapped car of their intentions. You must act upon this as soon as it is safe to do so.
• 1.4.4 - If you are going faster than a car that has lapped you, do not attempt to unlap yourself without permission from the driver in front - eg by request on Teamspeak.

You need to respect that and not "claim" right to pass. Yes the lapped car dictates everything, that is how the rules are. If you do not like it, you can try to change to rules with dedicated discussion in another thread. If the rules don't change, respect the rules or do not race at all.

Sorry if I am a bit emotional about this, but it just seems like these remarks (not necessarily the members I quote right now) are there every freaking race. Put up a dedicated thread.

EDIT: I do not deny that the rules can create some tension during racing since all lapped cars behave differently and you might lose a more time than an opponent but the discussion shouldn't be in the race thread which might end up in fingerpointing.

 

[Mearcat]

1.4 Lapping

• 1.4.1 - If you are going to be lapped, you should hold your racing line and leave the other driver responsible for making a safe pass. By sticking to the racing line, your movements are more predictable. It is also helpful to lift off the throttle, to allow the lapping car to pass sooner.
• 1.4.2 - If you are aware of the lapping car early enough, you may move off the racing line, provided it is safe to do so. It is also helpful to alert the lapping driver over TeamSpeak, e.g. “Pass me on the left.”
• 1.4.3 - The lapping car may flash their headlights or give a notification in Teamspeak to alert the lapped car of their intentions. You must act upon this as soon as it is safe to do so.
• 1.4.4 - If you are going faster than a car that has lapped you, do not attempt to unlap yourself without permission from the driver in front - eg by request on Teamspeak.

1.4.1 - did that

1.4.2 - Was exactly the case

1.4.3 - didn't have any

1.4.4 - I wish

I know it's not a go at me, but I am glad my memory was correct during the race.

Sorry if I am a bit emotional about this, but it just seems like these remarks (not necessarily the members I quote right now) are there every freaking race. Put up a dedicated thread.

Thank you. Your not the only one with a little emotion about said comments.

 

[Puffpirat]

This may or may not be aimed at me. Just to be clear, I waited from rascasse up to casino, didn’t even ask for or attempt a pass. Still got taken out.

I’m mostly considerate when lapping, especially when people are battling. But when you fight for the lead, and the lapped car is completely on its own, for heavens sake move.

 

[Nighttiger]

This may or may not be aimed at me. Just to be clear, I waited from rascasse up to casino, didn’t even ask for or attempt a pass. Still got taken out.

I’m mostly considerate when lapping, especially when people are battling. But when you fight for the lead, and the lapped car is completely on its own, for heavens sake move.

Sorry if I am a bit emotional about this, but it just seems like these remarks (not necessarily the members I quote right now) are there every freaking race. Put up a dedicated thread.

Wasn't aimed at you and your situation, just about the general situation and how I believe it should be discussed.

I think a lot of people are inclined to continue this discussion which is very good, since apparently there are some different opinions on how people expect overtakers and lappers to behave. These differences bleed through in the anticipation and judgement of situations in-race which causes accidents or misunderstandings. It is good to view all of them and try to reach a consensus. But I think we should leave this particular discussion hereafter alone in this thread

EDIT: Perhaps the admins can put up a thread and create some guidelines for a dedicated and argumented discussion if they see fit.

 

[Mearcat]

Not from me Puff.
Your lapping of me, we followed the rules perfectly. Then it was Icemans turn - same spot, same maneauvre, just his car slid into my rear. - Racing, it happens.

Frustrated the crap out of me at the time but in the end watching the replay,
"Bah, Coultard/Schumacher - Canada moment"

just earlier comments ground my gears as it literally tries to say I caused the crash by following the rules.

 

[miagi]

I am pretty fed up with these returning posts about incidents whilst lapping. I quote from the rules:

1.4 Lapping

• 1.4.1 - If you are going to be lapped, you should hold your racing line and leave the other driver responsible for making a safe pass. By sticking to the racing line, your movements are more predictable. It is also helpful to lift off the throttle, to allow the lapping car to pass sooner.
• 1.4.2 - If you are aware of the lapping car early enough, you may move off the racing line, provided it is safe to do so. It is also helpful to alert the lapping driver over TeamSpeak, e.g. “Pass me on the left.”
• 1.4.3 - The lapping car may flash their headlights or give a notification in Teamspeak to alert the lapped car of their intentions. You must act upon this as soon as it is safe to do so.
• 1.4.4 - If you are going faster than a car that has lapped you, do not attempt to unlap yourself without permission from the driver in front - eg by request on Teamspeak.

You need to respect that and not "claim" right to pass. Yes the lapped car dictates everything, that is how the rules are. If you do not like it, you can try to change to rules with dedicated discussion in another thread. If the rules don't change, respect the rules or do not race at all.

Sorry if I am a bit emotional about this, but it just seems like these remarks (not necessarily the members I quote right now) are there every freaking race. Put up a dedicated thread.

EDIT: I do not deny that the rules can create some tension during racing since all lapped cars behave differently and you might lose a more time than an opponent but the discussion shouldn't be in the race thread which might end up in fingerpointing.

You are wrong, it's not the slower car that dictates the pass, it's the other car because it is "the other driver responsible for making a safe pass.". So either itsi the faster car that dictates the pass and it's his responsibility or the sliwee car dictates and its slower cars responsibility.

Thr rules Always said and still say its the faster cars responsibility, so it's the faster car that dictates the lapping.

Yesterday Mearcat took that away from icemaI as he ordert him where and how to pass (without asking if Iceman is fine with that) and took took big part of the responsibility on him.

 

[Cluck]

Enough. The "lapping / being lapped" topic in this thread is to stop, right now.

Mistakes happen. We're not professional racing drivers, we're all here to try and enjoy some racing in an environment that shouldn't be hyper-competitive. If any member feels harassed in a race then discuss it privately with the other member - that's what TeamSpeak and the forum Conversation feature are for. If you like, invite one of the staff into the conversation, for an unbiased 3rd-party view. What we will not tolerate is what is happening in this thread.

Before you post a reply, stop and think "what would a new member think?" if they read the thread following the latest race. Would you want to join our league if this is what you are faced with? Members arguing with each other? No. So stop it.

This seems appropriate...

 

[m4nu]

Be glad @Cluck was faster than me, my answer would have been not so nice^^

 

[UnstopaPaul]

I personally found all that fascinating, and good discussion. I'd quite happily see that discussion in an appropriate thread and hear the pros / cons. I've found several points of view I'd never considered before.

 

[CatchAGlimpse]

I've been through the replay and found some cool moments from the exciting first 18 minutes of the race (I was on my own for the rest of it).

"Balls to the wall" move on @Dama_The_Crow around the outside of turn 3 into 4, I think I would have made it stick had @Gosku not been facing the wrong way After watching @Battenberg's stream, he was right behind us when I made the move, his "that's going the end in tears surely" comment made me laugh
03:19 trackside
03:18 onboard

Finally making a move stick against @Dama_The_Crow, cost me 8 front aero but I gained several seconds over the few next laps so it was worthwhile but the damage allowed @Nighttiger to catch up.
04:08 trackside
04:05 onboard

Defending from @Nighttiger after I made a mistake before the tunnel, managed to brake late and keep the position while trying leave just enough room for Nighttiger. As @King-Kodiak put it "I'd have written that off and I think Nighttiger thought so too"
34:20 stream
15:25 onboard

The next lap @Nighttiger tries a late dive down the inside (looked really cool in my mirror so I'm not complaining), braked earlier this time and tried the cut back hoping Nighttiger would out brake himself (which he did!) but being Monaco I couldn't give much more room so the inevitable contact happened. Decided to pit straight after this to change tyres and add the required fuel to finish the race.
36:20 stream
17:05 onboard

Good racing everyone!!

 

[King-Kodiak]

Am I allowed to respond to the RSR tweet with a link to my commentary? I've just made the tweet, but will happily delete it if required to do so

 

[m4nu]

Am I allowed to respond to the RSR tweet with a link to my commentary? I've just made the tweet, but will happily delete it if required to do so

Sure, why not?!

 

[Onufmi]

Dear @Puffpirat
I am so sorry. I was thinking about where should i let you pass me and didnt realise you are way faster than i was thinking. after first corner i started a little panic and lost it. After that i was stressed to say anything. (also my mic button is on my steering wheel and it was difficult to push when i was trying to turn the car right way).

I apologise again for ruining your victory and i definitely learned a lesson.

 

[Puffpirat]

It’s ok mate. You made a mistake, it wasn’t bad intention, just tough luck. Shit happens.

Cheers for the excuse