Project CARS 2 28th May 2018 - Casino Royale (2 Viewers)

[Eugene Flerko]

Hmmm my question is, what is the ideal temperature on this tyres?

I forsee Puffpirat saying that temperature doesn't really matter and you should find ideal hot temperature pressure of your tyres

 

[Nighttiger]

I forsee Puffpirat saying that temperature doesn't really matter and you should find ideal hot temperature pressure of your tyres

Yeah temps 70-90 are fine, above and beneath you lose grip.

 

[miagi]

On another note, any one else struggling with overheating tyres?

Yes, on nearly any track, any car and any weather in pcars2 :|

 

[miagi]

I just tired this car in TT and after restart over restart with a few arguably okay laps, I have to realize I can't not do a few laps in a row without damage. And that comes from someone that did two RSR Monaco FG1000 events with quite some success in pcars1. It's again the same topic, tire heating. But back to the damage issue, I drive the track, be it wilde or more smooth, did 14 session where I drove more than just one lap, so mostly 2 or 3 laps. From thos 14 runs, 3 were without collecting damage within the first 2 laps. I have 21% chance finishing the first two laps of the race without damage ...

The problem is the tire are inconsitent, for example I do the last corner combination in the first lap no problem, on the 2nd lap I do it entiraly the same way but the car understeers and I u/steer into the wall on the left. Nothing I can do as the front tires surface overheats and gives up leading the car into the wall. The tire heating is once again a fun killer.
I tired Stus setup and he makes the car so twichy and uses so little steering input that the car rotantes and points where he wants to go while he is still at the apex. Absolutly not my driving styl and not how a open wheeler with significant downforce should drive
If someone has an idea how to fix that issue I would be very thankful.

 

[SBart_uk]

I tired Stus setup and he makes the car so twichy and uses so little steering input that the car rotantes and points where he wants to go while he is still at the apex. Absolutly not my driving styl and not how a open wheeler with significant downforce should drive
If someone has an idea how to fix that issue I would be very thankful.

That is actually not my setup I just stole it from the guy below on the tt board and changed the steering ratio I think ...I found that setup far too understeery and have now gone much faster with a proper one that I made in practice.
I really don't think the Formula C could be described as having "significant downforce"...these cars are like the lowest club level motorsport that have wings (formula ford 2000 or similar) and even then there's nowhere to really use whatever downforce it does have at Monaco. If you watch any videos of top people in these sort of cars they will always drive with some slight oversteer as that's the fastest way(especially around a track like Monaco), but obviously this gets exaggerated a lot in a game as its not going to cost you £20,000+ if you smash it to bits against a wall.

 

[UnstopaPaul]

I just tired this car in TT and after restart over restart with a few arguably okay laps, I have to realize I can't not do a few laps in a row without damage. And that comes from someone that did two RSR Monaco FG1000 events with quite some success in pcars1. It's again the same topic, tire heating. But back to the damage issue, I drive the track, be it wilde or more smooth, did 14 session where I drove more than just one lap, so mostly 2 or 3 laps. From thos 14 runs, 3 were without collecting damage within the first 2 laps. I have 21% chance finishing the first two laps of the race without damage ...

The problem is the tire are inconsitent, for example I do the last corner combination in the first lap no problem, on the 2nd lap I do it entiraly the same way but the car understeers and I u/steer into the wall on the left. Nothing I can do as the front tires surface overheats and gives up leading the car into the wall. The tire heating is once again a fun killer.
I tired Stus setup and he makes the car so twichy and uses so little steering input that the car rotantes and points where he wants to go while he is still at the apex. Absolutly not my driving styl and not how a open wheeler with significant downforce should drive
If someone has an idea how to fix that issue I would be very thankful.

I really don't seem to experience these inconsistency issues. Perhaps I can't push tyres to the limits enough, or perhaps my style doesn't need to, but I find the results with tyres perfectly predictable. Normally I spin out a corner after I end up taking to aggressive a slide and heating the tyres rapidly. It feels random, but each time I go back to my footage with the temp/pressure overlay, I see that I actually do something too drastic the corner before and didn't let them cool.

 

[miagi]

That is actually not my setup I just stole it from the guy below on the tt board and changed the steering ratio I think ...I found that setup far too understeery and have now gone much faster with a proper one that I made in practice.
I really don't think the Formula C could be described as having "significant downforce"...these cars are like the lowest club level motorsport that have wings (formula ford 2000 or similar) and even then there's nowhere to really use whatever downforce it does have at Monaco. If you watch any videos of top people in these sort of cars they will always drive with some slight oversteer as that's the fastest way(especially around a track like Monaco), but obviously this gets exaggerated a lot in a game as its not going to cost you £20,000+ if you smash it to bits against a wall.

Well but on top of the hill in the fast left, I usually drift/slide thru there in a very dynamic state of control, same I did in pcars1 with the FG1000. In the first lap it drifts there with really nice feedback. However it's after one lap and mostly the corners where the front right understeers and gives me damage at the exit or fast left handers where I expect the car to behave like on the last right turn but it actually turns in and I hit the inside or kick the car sideways unintentional and slide into the wall. It is rather rarely that the car gets too twitchy for me to handle it. I don't want to over rotate the car only to be safe from understeer at the exit of a corner.

 

[Puffpirat]

I tired Stus setup and he makes the car so twichy and uses so little steering input that the car rotantes and points where he wants to go while he is still at the apex.

...I found that setup far too understeery and have now gone much faster with a proper one that I made in practice.

lol xD

Just out of curiosity, what's you race pace stu?
 

I don't want to over rotate the car only to be safe from understeer at the exit of a corner.

Seems this is what the car likes. I compared default loose and stable and loose is a whopping 2s quicker. And you quickly find out why...

 

[SBart_uk]

lol xD

Just out of curiosity, what's you race pace stu?

I honestly have no idea, I've only done some quick TT testing and then about 30-45 mins getting a setup working so far. But as a total guess assuming I'll go a bit faster than I have done so far with more practice/setup tweaking I'll guess mid 33's for race pace? i've no idea how a full tank affects the laptime so could be waaaay off who knows

 

[miagi]

Hey, I'm totally okay with the car on the first lap nearly always. From the 11 out of 14 cases where I did get damage it was nearly always in lap 2. Doesn't change the fact that I can't do 3 laps in a row without aero damage on this track.

 

[Puffpirat]

I honestly have no idea, I've only done some quick TT testing and then about 30-45 mins getting a setup working so far. But as a total guess assuming I'll go a bit faster than I have done so far with more practice/setup tweaking I'll guess mid 33's for race pace?

Yeah sounds about right, please stay there Nah I've done about high 33s in my first session today.
 

Hey, I'm totally okay with the car on the first lap nearly always. From the 11 out of 14 cases where I did get damage it was nearly always in lap 2. Doesn't change the fact that I can't do 3 laps in a row without aero damage on this track.

On my first test the fronts were nearly 20 degrees hotter than the rears, now they are even, still high, but even. Helps to get the balance consistent over a stint.

 

[SBart_uk]

Yeah sounds about right, please stay there Nah I've done about high 33s in my first session today.

Haha ok good to know my guess is about right then. I'm just hoping I can find the same kind of Monaco form I found in the PRD Lotus 78 season

 

[Puffpirat]

Haha ok good to know my guess is about right then. I'm just hoping I can find the same kind of Monaco form I found in the PRD Lotus 78 season

Then I hope I find my form from the Formula Gulf races and this will be bonkers

 

[SBart_uk]

Then I hope I find my form from the Formula Gulf races and this will be bonkers

Lets hope so then and it could be another classic...I'm inspired to go test some race pace now

 

[The Hunter]

Haha ok good to know my guess is about right then. I'm just hoping I can find the same kind of Monaco form I found in the PRD Lotus 78 season

Then I hope I find my form from the Formula Gulf races and this will be bonkers

Or you don't and give us noobies a chance

 

[Cluck]

Well, I just stole Stu's setup and dear lord does it handle like treacle on those low tyre pressures . Or it might be the tyres I put on it

For clarity, because I don't like sitting on knowledge that will help everybody - especially something as big as this - the 'Sport' tyres are currently bugged and will provide significantly extra grip over 1 or 2 laps (they are toast after that). Right now, these are the tyres for quali.


EDIT : That lap was the first clean lap I ran. I usually hit the sausage kerb on the exit of the swimming pool section, throwing the car into the wall on the right. I was faster than Stu from the get go, with some laps showing clear daylight on the run up the hill. Trust me, it wasn't driving talent, it was purely the tyres . There's almost certainly another 1s to come off my time with a bit more practice.

 

[drukqs]

high 33's...i bust my ass to be on the 1m37s on race conditions.

I've seen Stu's time time trial record and driven his setup. The steering ratio is allright as i agree and i use the same 6:0:1 for this track but i find the car very oversteery and dangerous for a 60min race for a newb driver like myself. However i can see that Stu uses this oversteer for his advantage as he is massively faster exiting the corners, i find it specifically prevalent in example on the Casino square right hand corner, where he swings his car sideways before the corner.

I've driven 30minutes this morning against bots without issues but my pace is significantly slower: and yes my front tyres overheat a lot (110+) even with max tyre pressure on front. Rear tyres no problem at all..

Anyway, apart from the aliens (and even considering aliens), i think more important than pace will be consistency to not crash into walls, and a lot of luck of not getting involved in incidents, so i am more worried on a stable car than really being Senna-on-another-dimension-around-Monaco fast.

 

[UnstopaPaul]

high 33's...i bust my ass to be on the 1m37s on race conditions.

I've seen Stu's time time trial record and driven his setup. The steering ratio is allright as i agree and i use the same 6:0:1 for this track but i find the car very oversteery and dangerous for a 60min race for a newb driver like myself. However i can see that Stu uses this oversteer for is advantage as he his massively faster exiting the corners, i find it specifically prevalent in example on the Casino square right hand corner, where he swings his car sideways before the corner.

I've driven 30minutes this morning against bots without issues but my pace is significantly slower: and yes my front tyres overheat a lot (110+) even with max tyre pressure on front. Rear tyres no problem at all..

Anyway, apart from the aliens (and even considering aliens), i think more important than pace will be consistency to not crash into walls, and a lot of luck of not getting involved in incidents, so i am more worried on a stable car than really being Senna-on-another-dimension-around-Monaco fast.

senna famously put it into the wall too

 

[Cluck]

By the way, the Sport vs Slick discovery for us came about from one of our induction evenings a few weeks ago. We discovered it by accident and, since then, I've seen a thread appear on the public forum discussing the same thing.

 

[miagi]

Well, I just stole Stu's setup and dear lord does it handle like treacle on those low tyre pressures . Or it might be the tyres I put on it

For clarity, because I don't like sitting on knowledge that will help everybody - especially something as big as this - the 'Sport' tyres are currently bugged and will provide significantly extra grip over 1 or 2 laps (they are toast after that). Right now, these are the tyres for quali.


EDIT : That lap was the first clean lap I ran. I usually hit the sausage kerb on the exit of the swimming pool section, throwing the car into the wall on the right. I was faster than Stu from the get go, with some laps showing clear daylight on the run up the hill. Trust me, it wasn't driving talent, it was purely the tyres . There's almost certainly another 1s to come off my time with a bit more practice.

Good to know because especially the Hair Pin your Ghost takes frustrates me to a nearly pyschotic degree... Just look at you


Obv. not my best lap but compared to that ghost it really feels like the Slicks start to degrade after half the lap compared to you sport tires.

However this all doesn't alter my problem of tire giving up after one lap in tt a bit.